I come in good faith

Hello there,

I have been eating more plant-based for a few years now but am not particularly strict about it. I'm dating someone who is a very strict vegan and I'm trying to feel out the relationship and taking the position of veganism very seriously. While I myself likely won't commit to a strict vegan diet, I can see myself moving further down the spectrum as I get older.

On thing I've noticed that troubles me (and please understand - this is not a clinical survey, it's merely anecdotal - I'm just a guy), is the tendency of misanthropy and veganism to cozy up to one another. I consider myself a marxist and so my sympathies will always lie with working people (including so-called "deplorables", one of the more salient positions of our time but off-topic) and so I have really difficult time with the vegans who are so down on humanity (also, I believe vegans should become marxists since if we're really serious about ending the suffering of animals, while it may appear to start at the point of consumption, to really change the damn thing would involve starting at the point of production, but again, another topic). Since things like animals rights and rights in general are phenemona of society, it always strikes me as a self-defeating stance to lean so much into misanthropy and one that ought to be worked through if the community is serious about the project of ending or at the very least, mitigating animal suffering. I totally get the defenisiveness vegans have - people will often approach this topic in extremely bad faith. I have to deal with this in my own life with my own political stance.

Anyway, consider me St. Sebastion, sling your arrows. I'm not here to shit on anyone's lifestyles, just grappling with the topic and the questions it raises.

Cheers