"Not to be antisemitic, but..." Users in /r/redscarepod disagree over which Jews are responsible for the I/P conflict, all of them or just most of them?

Context:

r/redscarepod is a subreddit dedicated to the “Red Scare” podcast, hosted by Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova. The podcast offers cultural commentary and critique, often delving into contemporary social and political issues. Interestingly, the subreddit has evolved beyond discussions of the podcast itself; members frequently engage in broader conversations about online culture, fashion inspiration, and various internet phenomena.

This time, users debate whether Jews are actually in a cabal conspiring against the west.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/1iyou9l/not_to_be_antisemitic_but_the_death_and_suffering/

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How many American Jews do you actually know? There’s probably more nuance about Israel among Jews than within the us government. Israel serves us geopolitical interests, it has absolutely nothing to do with religion or ethnicity

Exactly. If American Jews were such a monolith in supporting Israel than zionist organizations wouldn’t spend so much time and money fear-mongering in Jewish communities.

85% of American Jews think that support to Israel is important. Kind of a "monolith"-type figure.

70% also voted for the much less Zionist candidate.

I guess that absolves them entirely then.

No American Jew is seeking absolvement for what’s happening in Israel rn lmao

Is that because they don't see it as anything needing to seek absolvement from, or because they don't care, or a bit of both?

If you think 2.4% of the population are driving the decisions of the American government you are in fact getting into the most classic anti semitic conspiracy theory of all time. There’s a generation gap with Jews. A lot of them whose parents were alive for the holocaust feel like Israel is necessary. Most young Jews are against the genocide, even if they’re not advocating for the dismantling of the state of Israel. One example of the changing vibe, it’s been deeply unhip to do a birthright trip for years now

antisemitic there it is

That 2.4% has a lot of economic and institutional power. It’s not antisemitic to point out how influential the Israel lobby is

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I mean sure but Jews are 2.4% of the American population whereas Christians are 67%. The loudest Zionist voices in America are evangelicals

Loudest voices sure, but it’s the Jewish lobbying groups that put in all the work. Sure. But I don't think Evangelical Christians came to a position that's overall supportive of Israel completely by themselves and without a powerful Jewish lobbying presence.

I mean a lot of this would have been avoided if the Palestinians just negotiated with the Jews. A lot of early negotiations were total farces because Muslims didn't want to be seen legitimizing Jews by dealing with them. Now we are at a point where most countries in the region seem to prefer Israel to dealing with Gaza/Hamas/Palestinians. People gloss over that Egypt also has a blockade on Gaza. Even with the Jews offering insane terms to Palestinian leaders, the leaders always said, "Well these deals get better and better so let's keep waiting" and now we are at the point where the president is tweeting AI videos of Trump Gaza.

gonna come steal your shit and tell you to negotiate how much of it you want back (i'm keeping most of it)

Tell me you don't know about the conflict without telling me.
At one point the Jews were offering the majority of the land, and wanted to settle in the Negev desert. Maybe the worst piece of land in the region, that was rejected, a war ensued, and the Jews won. Sucks to suck.
Also LMAO "stealing your shit" who controlled """Palestine""" before the Jews? Why did the Roman's call it the Kingdom Judea? Weird.

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You could kind of argue that militant and extremist Islam is less about the faith itself than it is a response to Western imperialism and, as well, ethnic nationalism but that never really stopped people from needing to examine the faith's compatibility with the West.
I understand they're not the same but I still think that a conversation needs to happen within the Jewish community - maybe not one about faith but one about unwavering support for a "homeland" that comes at enormous cost. continues...

Sure. But what it's predicated on doesn't really matter if at the end of the day, its Jewish people worldwide and particular in the States who are primarily responsible for a lot of death and suffering. I think that saying "Zionism has no basis in the Jewish faith" is all fine and good but only serves to remove any responsibility from Jews who openly support the state of Israel and what they're doing.

im just not sure what you're arguing. so do muslims needs to have an internal dialogue with their religion or not? and therefore the critique of the 2010's was valid, it just wasn't aware enough? or are you saying they actually don't in which case i'm unsure on what basis you're saying american jews need to have this conversation. genuinely curious, think this is an interesting line of thought [thread continues...]

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